This unpromising colour is a result of water lily root, no mordant. I was somewhat disappointed that I couldnt get a deeper colour, however when I looked it up water lily root with no mordant produces a pale beige! It can be significantly darker with copper and iron, apparently. I used hot water and soaked it four twenty four hours, periodically raising the temperature, before getting fed up! It does have shades of pink in it, being something of a minky colour. No comments about the spinning please!